tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post4350913232404074196..comments2023-11-05T18:46:32.295+11:00Comments on Baino's Banter: Adoption - That's so Gay!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-63242928751083904032009-02-26T02:26:00.000+11:002009-02-26T02:26:00.000+11:00Baino, I don't want to argue with you because I'm ...Baino, I don't want to argue with you because I'm in complete agreement. As far as I know there are two arguments against allowing same-sex couples to adopt. As at least one other person mentioned, there's the fear that the child will turn out gay. Well, there are a lot of gay kids with heterosexual parents (and before artificial insemination, <B>every</B> gay kid had heterosexual parents even if they weren't raised by them), so obviously learning by example doesn't work. And if adopted/fostered kids of gay parents do turn out gay, so what? It's not as though there are so many homosexuals adopting kids that they'll turn the whole world gay. <BR/><BR/>The second concern, which, again, at least one other person raised, is that gay couples can't marry, so supposedly they won't provide the same level of stability as heterosexual married couples. Considering how easy it is to get divorced that's a non-argument. And if it's really a problem, there's a simple solution: allow same-sex couples to marry.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06964382893041274710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-89957797854155016922009-02-26T00:58:00.000+11:002009-02-26T00:58:00.000+11:00not yet, but i fear what could happen IF the conse...not yet, but i fear what could happen IF the conservatives win a majority, even a slim one :(<BR/><BR/>they seem also hellbent to reverse our abortion laws.... grrrrrrrlaughingwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873675614347328116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-58308486148451752862009-02-25T23:58:00.000+11:002009-02-25T23:58:00.000+11:00Thanks Conor, means a lot coming from you and I co...Thanks Conor, means a lot coming from you and I couldn't agree more.<BR/><BR/>Me either Sandy. Life is too short for gay/straight/black/white. Especially tonight as I have had some bad news that really puts life and humanity into perspective.<BR/><BR/>Sense from you also Gleds. Post those vids. You're the only person I know who can tie hamsters into a serious post on adoption .. .Bainohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156193098088048637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-22091529071007978602009-02-25T23:42:00.000+11:002009-02-25T23:42:00.000+11:00Adoption rules are so shamefully draconian in this...Adoption rules are so shamefully draconian in this country they barely let straight people take on little kids, let alone lesbian or gay... (and yet anyone lucky enough to be fertile can breed like cockroaches with no compulsion to answer for anything...)<BR/><BR/>hmmm: can't remember what on earth I was going to say now. Except my hamsters. At last. Are starring in a very scruffy video at my main blog online on Youtube. Wow!!!Gledwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09308172310486574510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-5624035697765226452009-02-25T22:26:00.000+11:002009-02-25T22:26:00.000+11:00quite interesting - so judgemental society is - ye...quite interesting - so judgemental society is - yet little children are abused and killed daily - gon't get it ./sandySandy Kesslerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17542892044386717213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-26042555379522956682009-02-25T20:37:00.000+11:002009-02-25T20:37:00.000+11:00Very well said. The mind boogles at the injustice....Very well said. The mind boogles at the injustice. I hope these women win this extremely important battle. Great post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-76681461414413170172009-02-25T17:15:00.000+11:002009-02-25T17:15:00.000+11:00tut-tut - I'm not actually targetting the religiou...tut-tut - I'm not actually targetting the religious right, that just happens to be where the quote comes from. I think it's broader than that. Fear as Cuppa Joe mentions, inability to change or adapt?<BR/><BR/>You know Ian I actually thought about that. I mean Biblical families were in themselves unconventional and extended. A lot of begatting and begetting? I think Queen Victoria has a lot to answer for frankly!<BR/><BR/>Hok, I'm in the Bible Belt of Sydney but again, I'm not trashing religious values, just general conservatism. Sadly the two often go together.<BR/><BR/>I'd be very interested in your perspective kj<BR/><BR/>Well as we know, you don't turn gay Subby! You might come out but I firmly believe you're born gay. DOCS mean well but they're underfunded and stretched. I suspect they see this as a minor incursion on many bigger problems that they have to deal with.<BR/><BR/>Bigots indeed Nick. Far too many of them I think. Sometimes I wish people would just mind their own business . . settle their own affairs. <BR/><BR/>Hmm, prolly never find out what the upshot is Suze. Apparently they've made their wishes known in their Will and what happens to the kids in the event of their demise will still be at the discretion of DOCS<BR/><BR/>Well Hooray for Canada Wuffa! Brave move and see . . the sky hasn't fallen in!<BR/><BR/>Jay, I'm shocked, really shocked. White parents can't adopt black kids? My friends are white and adopted two Indian girls . . it's quite common here to see particularly asian children with white parents. And no you're not being naive, your story proves that it can work to the child's benefit.<BR/><BR/>Kim,nail on the head. It's human rights we should be considering not gay/black/religious . . .human rights.<BR/><BR/><BR/>GAH Moo! Nobody will fight with me today and I'm so in the mood to get my dukes up!<BR/><BR/>Nah Kath you're the 'public' figure. Not sure what Department's responsible but maybe the commission will come up with something positive once it's findings have been collated.<BR/><BR/>Me either River. . nonsensical given that the children are already living with the couple.<BR/><BR/>Haha . . well Megan, they're few and far between these days but if something gets up my nose, I have to have a moan.<BR/><BR/>Cuppa, I couldn't have put it better. 'Fearful' is much better than picking on say the religious right or bigots .. people are always afraid of what they don't understand. Our task is to help them reach that understanding.Bainohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156193098088048637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-37620866848502105192009-02-25T14:47:00.000+11:002009-02-25T14:47:00.000+11:00It's so interesting to hear how things are in othe...It's so interesting to hear how things are in other places outside of California and the US. I know quite a few gay couples, some have adopted too. Kids from the foster systems as well as children from places like China. However, now I think of it, since in CA at least, gay marriage is not deemed legal, I begin to wonder if both domestic partners are the parents or only one. Makes me want to ask, but it's never occurred to me before. These are friends who in my opinion, because it's their opinions regardless of what Prop 8 and its supporters think, they are married. <BR/><BR/>It's disconcerting, as a great many other things, that good people are denied something that not the best of people, and sometimes very bad people, are given outright. <BR/><BR/>Disconcerting and disheartening. <BR/><BR/>Still, allowing fostering but not adoption for some but not for all, regardless of country or government makes no sense whatsoever. It's not just the 'religious'; it's the fearful. They are the ones who are causing these problems. The fearful.Cuppa Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02759837201203287904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-83969806519695189192009-02-25T14:10:00.000+11:002009-02-25T14:10:00.000+11:00I read this earlier today but was too busy to repl...I read this earlier today but was too busy to reply.<BR/><BR/>And now I'm just too angry.<BR/><BR/>You rock, though, Baino! I've got to start writing more meaningful posts like this...Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09387041422819664987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-31590739196813603192009-02-25T13:51:00.000+11:002009-02-25T13:51:00.000+11:00The "legal" issues certainly need sorting out. As ...The "legal" issues certainly need sorting out. As you said, the kids are balanced, happy, very well cared for, so why not allow the adoption? I see no reason at all why it shouldn't be allowed.Riverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14794655013673748992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-69942445841798326812009-02-25T10:29:00.000+11:002009-02-25T10:29:00.000+11:00Brilliantly put, Baino. Now how about sending thi...Brilliantly put, Baino. Now how about sending this as an article to the SMH and whichever stupid government department has their heads up their arses?Kath Locketthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09677312773827236567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-56352972375757947612009-02-25T09:00:00.000+11:002009-02-25T09:00:00.000+11:00You can't start a debate when you've already begun...You can't start a debate when you've already begun and ended it yourself Baino.<BR/><BR/>You nailed that one to the wall good n'proper.Terence McDangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17583127956432566540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-15445349747967547272009-02-25T08:22:00.000+11:002009-02-25T08:22:00.000+11:00no debate needed you said it all with this:"if you...no debate needed you said it all with this:<BR/>"if you're capable of providing a safe, loving and warm refuge for a child in foster care and then want to take that extra selfless step of adopting . . go for it!"<BR/><BR/>gay rights are human rights! this concept is catching on, but not without opposition....but we fight the hate we will get there....mouse (aka kimy)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09385557065971602436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-38904960912216870202009-02-25T07:45:00.000+11:002009-02-25T07:45:00.000+11:00"I don't care if you're three-legged, six-fingered..."I don't care if you're three-legged, six-fingered, black blue or bohemian . . .if you're capable of providing a safe, loving and warm refuge for a child in foster care and then want to take that extra selfless step of adopting . . go for it!"<BR/><BR/>And that's the bottom line, isn't it? I was reading through your blog thinking 'yes, it's all true and it's all very unequal, and it's similar to the 'whites can't adopt black kids' rule we have here. Oh, I don't think it's actually spelled out as prohibited, but you just try it! It's impossible. Apparently, the powers that be would rather have black kids languishing in the pitiful system that passes for 'care' than have them adopted into a loving white family for fear they will lose their cultural identity.<BR/><BR/>My brother and SIL adopted two black children before this non-rule rule was put in place, and they are now great and beautiful young people. One, indeed, has chosen to move into spare rooms in her mother's house with her new husband and baby. Her husband, by the way, is black. Doesn't seem like she lost out, does it? On the contrary, she benefitted from a very loving family environment, <I>even though</I> my brother died young and her adolescence was spent in a 'single' white mother family.<BR/><BR/>I think that this, and the 'gays can't adopt as a couple' thing, make a mockery of the system - which is supposed to be there to get children into decent families as soon as possible.<BR/><BR/>Or am I being naive in thinking that's their aim?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-69673899200092669362009-02-25T06:46:00.000+11:002009-02-25T06:46:00.000+11:00nothing to debate, baino, i'm in total agreementlu...nothing to debate, baino, i'm in total agreement<BR/><BR/>luckily we had a federal liberal government when they passed the law allowing same sex marriage, though when the minority conservatives came in, they tried to overturn that... and it seems to be still on their agenda, if temporarily on the back burnerlaughingwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873675614347328116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-73162864614932127412009-02-25T06:36:00.000+11:002009-02-25T06:36:00.000+11:00I'm with you on that: when a child is safe and lov...I'm with you on that: when a child is safe and loved, nothing else matters. If we had more children being raised to a happy healthy adulthood by 'unconventional' parents, who knows what could happen: we might have a more tolerant and less hateful world in a few generations.<BR/><BR/>Good luck to the ladies you mentioned, and their kids: I'll keep them in my thoughts and prayers.Susan at Stony Riverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10385202649291774852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-36360089909933147712009-02-25T00:59:00.000+11:002009-02-25T00:59:00.000+11:00The important thing in bringing up children is to ...The important thing in bringing up children is to love them, to realise their potential and to raise them to be mature, responsible adults. Anyone is capable of that, be they gay, straight, black, white, whatever. The objections to gay couples adopting are just pure unsubstantiated prejudice. All I can say to these bigots is, wake up and grow up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-26059614860395198512009-02-25T00:45:00.000+11:002009-02-25T00:45:00.000+11:00One of the arguments was that by allowing the the ...One of the arguments was that by allowing the the same sex "parents" to adopt, that it would have influence on the child to accept that union was O.K. That the child would also turn gay. That's total B.S. And as far as your DOCS system goes, it sounds a little better than our DSS, here in Massachusetts. I won't go in to the horror stories, here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-49396525096070908652009-02-25T00:10:00.000+11:002009-02-25T00:10:00.000+11:00sweet baino, i'll be back with my own perspective ...sweet baino, i'll be back with my own perspective and two cents after a day of work...kjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15122196887043345981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-38087875652342925412009-02-24T23:52:00.000+11:002009-02-24T23:52:00.000+11:00You should try being in the Bible belt of America....You should try being in the Bible belt of America. "Christian" conservatives here would be happiest to send all gays off to their own island somewhere rather than let gays or lesbian have any rights or protection whatsoever. It's shameful.hokgardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09971689914882302078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-80556966182477655912009-02-24T22:54:00.000+11:002009-02-24T22:54:00.000+11:00Baino,The bizarre thing is that the conservative C...Baino,<BR/><BR/>The bizarre thing is that the conservative Christian conception of 'family' owes much more to capitalist, industrialized, urban society than it does to biblical models of 'family', which are frequently unconventional.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-58083930516509798032009-02-24T22:41:00.000+11:002009-02-24T22:41:00.000+11:00It's all about exculsion, isn't it? All these reli...It's all about exculsion, isn't it? All these religious righters claim to include everyone, but that's not what they're all about at all.tut-tuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15713003038275525797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-33520799831494788602009-02-24T21:22:00.000+11:002009-02-24T21:22:00.000+11:00Look there are parents good and bad, single and co...Look there are parents good and bad, single and couples I just don't see what sex you are has to do with being a good parent. I know neglectful mothers, bullying fathers . .GrowUp you wouldn't believe the atrocities that I've heard of in our hemisphere over the past couple of weeks, it would make you weep!<BR/><BR/>Well Bimbimbie we're of the same mind and I agree but would probably refer to them as religious zealots or the 'far right'. Church and State should remain totally separate. Fat chance!Bainohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156193098088048637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-70920532619672875322009-02-24T20:31:00.000+11:002009-02-24T20:31:00.000+11:00Couldn't agree more Baino - a loving, safe home is...Couldn't agree more Baino - a loving, safe home is surely the most important requirement for any child no matter how many parents of whatever sex are waiting with open arms and heart for them. <BR/><BR/>We need to get the religious bigots out of politics.Bimbimbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427788003822538655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34591549.post-34842361662490975542009-02-24T20:18:00.000+11:002009-02-24T20:18:00.000+11:00Allowing fostering but not adoption makes absolute...Allowing fostering but not adoption makes absolutely no sense. As for people mistreating their kids, they should be locked in a small box and chucked in a deep hole, I really cannot stand that shit, there is no excuse for it, seriously, I'd have fucking concentration camps for those people, they're worse than animals.Grow Uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06124664582808802393noreply@blogger.com