It's taken a long time, but I think I've nailed it. You can get a man do to exactly what you want him to do if you make him think it's his idea in the first place. This is an art ladies, it's taken me a long time to perfect and I still don't like the lack of recognition I get for initiatives - because everyone thinks they belong to 'him' - but that aside, at least I get my way eventually . . .the beauty of it is that they don't even know they're being persuaded It's gold.